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>> the president won't sign. >> so you're back to secretary coulter. will the puppet masters allow donald trump to actually shut -- open up the government and then negotiate? i don't think so. politics is about addition. vast majority of americans do not want to see a wall in exchange for a shutdown. they don't want -- they want the government open and then have a discussion about border security. >> jennifer, you know well that mitch mcconnell is not going to bring up a bill his president is not going to sign. there's no reason for him to do so. >> he can convince -- what's this leadership ab...

>> the president won't sign. >> so you're back to secretary coulter. will the puppet masters allow donald trump to actually shut -- open up the government and then negotiate? i don't think so. politics is about addition. vast majority of americans do not want to see a wall in exchange for a shutdown. they don't want -- they want the government open and then have a discussion about border security. >> jennifer, you know well that mitch mcconnell is not going to bring up a bill his president is not going to sign. there's no reason for him to do so. >> he can convince -- what's this leadership ab...

Joining me now is former virginia governor and potential challenger to president trump, terry mcauliffe. thank you very much. >> great to be with you. >> happy, happy. you, too. i want to talk about that in a moment. but let as talk about the shutdown. you were the governor of virginia -- >> lot of federal employees. >> lot of people who are not having their paychecks come through or might see that happen in the future. what should democratic leaders in congress do? >> not give an inch. democrats should not give an inch. donald trump owns this. he said he wanted to own it in the december meeti...

Puppet masters. they challenged his manhood and pulled the strings, ann coulter and rush limbaugh and he just moved, said we're not going to go for it. here we are today. thousands of people in virginia, many of them will not be paid. if you work for a federal contractor, like a woman who -- story in the paper today, she works at the state department. she's not going to be paid. people can't live without a paycheck. contrary to what republican congressman perry of pennsylvania said yesterday, they don't need their paychecks. >> the counter to the argument you just made in the beginning is thos...

Our border security. >> president trump is not going to walk away from this fight without border security funding, moan for the wall. >> donald trump owns this. he said he wanted to own it in the december meeting in the oval office. guess what? he listened to some right wing folks on radio and are his pup p -- puppet masters and they pulled the strings and he just moved. >> we're going to start with the shutdown in the ninth day. no sign of change as we approach 2019. it likely will not be until thursday at the minimum when new members of congress will take the oath of office that we're going ...