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Learning about the call. this this has been the most carefully thought out relationship for years and years by republicans and by democratic presidents going all the way back to richard nixon that it is important to maintain a one-china policy, carefully maintaining the independence of the taiwan but the assurance that chinese across the straits don't attack taiwan and taking it over. and they can cannot go independent. the taiwanese government has a new administration now in place that leads very heavily towards independence. and for donald trump to make this call is going to infuriate the ch...

That why ask the state department? why ask the national security council staff? why not just go ahead because it feels right? and this is not going to be the last of these kind of things. things need to get cleaned up and cleaned up in a hurry in washington. >> ambassador hill, thank you for joining us tonight. joining me now our panel. >> ben you just heard ambassador hill this is a real break with policy. trump is winging it. does trump know what he's doing? >> this may be the most calm i've ever been on your show. one this is not winging it. two, i think it was simply a phone call. and thre...