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Undersecretary of state for political affairs in kerry's state department and msnbc news global affairs contributor. ambassador, thank you very much for joining us. the actions taken today are not technically against russia or china, who are allegedly the big perpetrators here, evading the sanctions, going offshore and refueling, restocking these north korean ships. most recently this week alone, japan claims that it saw such action involving a chinese ship and north korea. >> right. china is on the list along with hong kong and panama, marshall islands, taiwan, couple of other countries, but ...

Spotlight she usually tries to avoid. >> the fact that she was allowed to help craft this statement that the white house put on, that, again, that is a lack of judgment. that is a lack of leadership. the fact that she was allowed to do that.

Leadership here. there is a question of judgment here. of someone that was supposed to be the adult in the room. and will this lead to his ouster? i don't know. the president wasn't happy with him reportedly over some of the comments that kelly made about him because once, you know, when the staffer says something negative about the president, it matters more than some of the other issues that are more important. so we'll have to wait and see, but certainly there is cause for concern. i have to bring up the fact that hope hicks who reportedly is in a relationship recently with rob porter, the ...

Bigger and more powerful than his and my button works. the concern is, the president is taunting kim jong-un, saying, i don't think your button works, i don't think your nuclear device works. does that concern you? >> no, i -- i -- i -- yes, it does. and early on, i spoke to lots of different people. i used to serve on the defense committee, for 18 years i was there. and i've talked to lots of people, some who agree with me, some who don't. and in the early stages, being tough with north korea and making them understand the capabilities that we have and putting pressure on them was correct. bu...

Taunting kim jong-un, saying, i don't think your button works, i don't think your nuclear device works. does that concern you? >> no, i -- i -- i -- yes, it does. and early on, i spoke to lots of different people. i used to serve on the defense committee, for 18 years i was there. and i've talked to lots of people, some who agree with me, some who don't. and in the early stages, being tough with north korea and make them -- what the capabilities are that we have and putting pressure on them was correct. but we don't need to be doing a lot of bombastic statements from anybody. the president, se...