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Middle of her work in ukraine. when she and the u.s. government were trying to push putin back and shore up western alliances. russia, of course, still is on the other side of all that, still working as best they can to break up all western alliances. confrontation over that was fraught back then when victoria nuland stepped into the middle of the square. it's in a different way right now. but this former diplomat this former top diplomat in europe for the united states, former u.s. ambassador to nato, victoria nuland joins us live and in person for the interview. stay with us. -i've seen lots...

A couple years later in the 2016 elections. then it was russia again. but what happened to victoria nuland, not just hacking into systems and stealing information from u.s. government officials. it was with thatizing information and putting it back out through social media. what happened to the democratic party and the clinton campaign with their servers in 2016 happened to victoria in 2014 in the middle of her work in ukraine when she and the u.s. government were trying to push putin back and shore up western alliances. russia is still on the other side. still working to break up all western ...

Trying to convince him to do an interview with us until suddenly he got a call. a voice said "you talk too much." he backed out. >> coming up, congressman jim himes with some thoughts on how to push putin back. >> we need to make it very, very clear to the kremlin that there are red lines that if he crosses with his military or with proxies there will be a very vigorous response reminiscent of the response of u.s. special forces against the wagner group in syria. ♪ you don't like my lasagna? no, it's good. -hmm. -oh. huh. [ both laugh ] here, blow. blow on it. you see it, right? is there a d...

In a war against western democracies using hidden means. whether it's cyberattacks, disinformation campaigns or proxies on the ground in place like syria and ukraine it's all methods that are used that hide in the shadows. >> you may have noticed we didn't interview anyone from wagner in the story. we were on to one man who claimed he was in syria and in that battle with the americans. through an intermediary we were trying to convince him to do an interview with us until suddenly he got a call. a voice said "you talk too much." he backed out. >> coming up, congressman jim himes with some thou...

That we have right now in the standoff with vladimir putin. are you hearing anything on the ground about merkel and germany's -- how resolute they're going to be against putin and how far they will go with the united states to stand shoulder to shoulder against him? >> well, they'll stand shoulder to shoulder if putin makes another move. that's sort of a -- if you want to call it a stalemate of sorts, that's where we're at. there isn't -- there doesn't seem to be -- there seems to be european resolution to sit there and say, okay, we got to stay united against putin but at the same time, they'...