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Their soldiers don't want to be in war in ukraine. they have relatives in ukraine. what are the oligarchs thinking, oh, really, he is going to blow up my yacht? he is going to blow up my mistresses? he is going to blow up my $200 million flats in london? i mean, what are russians thinking every time this guy, sergey lavrov, and let's never forget sergey lavrov and other diplomats are talking about nuclear war. they're talking about nuclear war. is it performance art, or is this putin on the edge? >> i think it is likely putin trying to intimidate us. what's scary to me, joe, is not so much he ...

White people first. indian people, arab people before black people. as long as you are black, no one likes you. >> reporter: as so many scramble out, others are standing by. in western ukraine, the lviv art center now feels like an amazon warehouse. everything is on the move. food, clothes, diapers. not for customers but for countrymen. >> it's all volunteers. it is all the staff from the people who want to help. >> reporter: the civilian eh for the to take on the russians is not just about fighting. it is also helping. inside the bags are food and winter supplies that are going to the victims...

Russians, they do not know what they fight for. >> what an extraordinary summation of this war. we're fighting for freedom. we're fighting for liberty. we're fighting for justice. the russians don't know what they're fighting for. >> they didn't know they were going to fight, a lot of them apparently. they thought they were doing a training exercise. >> the pols are coming out of homes to help the refugees. they're not responding to a call of action. they're showing up. >> they're showing up. >> everything. >> clothes, food, whatever they have. >> yeah. >> it is extraordinary. >> beautiful. >>...

Make sure the entire world faces nuclear annihilation. what do russians think about that? >> reporter: well, russia has a policy, has had a policy for a while. they call it escalate to de-escalate. it's not entirely clear what that policy means, but in principle what it means, that you make those kinds of threats, nuclear threats, in order to turn a conventional war in your favor. so the russians have heard that before. of course, and we've talked about it, russians who are watching state television are getting a very reassuring picture of events. there are other russians who are wondering, an...

Need the world if there is no russia. >> nbc's keir simmons in moscow, thank you so much. ambassador, what do you make of the constant nuclear saber rattling that we continue to get, again, from diplomats, from vladimir putin himself, from state tv, and an hour ago from sergey lavrov? >> joe, i think, i think that this is performance. i think this is not a serious threat to use nuclear weapons against ukraine. >> if it is a performance, doesn't it indicate how badly this war is going for putin? >> exactly. this war is going very badly for russia. they can't believe that they're not already i...