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Bridge those days, is he going to say he didn't look down? where does this end? >> it's hard to believe that he didn't know all these things, you know. he has a reputation of being a micromanager, being very much in charge. these people are his close assistants. some of this is getting truly hard to believe. and i don't really understand why he continues to say he doesn't know these people well who were some of his closest advisers. it's very hard to believe, al. >> what sticks out to you, steve, about these subpoenas? what grabbed you when you heard this today about these subpoenas? >> well, ...

Overall perspective, the constitution protects us to practice our faith and would just -- i hope that wouldn't happen. >> with the president and the administration was saying is, if i'm an employee at a company, it's not -- it isn't the owner. i'ming whether or not i want to use birth control. >> you know, think it's a fine line. i don't know where it will fall out. maybe an broader term issue just -- as a minister, a pastor, having thought of it as the company's terms, i wouldn't like the government being able to tell me, maybe i couldn't practice the faith in the way i'd like to. >> time mag...

I believe that just from an overall perspective, the constitution protects us to practice our faith and would just -- i hope that wouldn't happen. >> with the president and the administration was saying is, if i'm an employee at a company, it's not -- it isn't the owner. i'ming whether or not i want to use birth control. >> you know, think it's a fine line. i don't know where it will fall out. maybe an broader term issue just -- as a minister, a pastor, having thought of it as the company's terms, i wouldn't like the government being able to tell me, maybe i couldn't practice the faith in the ...

Overall perspective, the constitution protects us to practice our faith and would just -- i hope that wouldn't happen. >> with the president and the administration was saying is, if i'm an employee at a company, it's not -- it isn't the owner. i'ming whether or not i want to use birth control. >> you know, think it's a fine line. i don't know where it will fall out. maybe an broader term issue just -- as a minister, a pastor, having thought of it as the company's terms, i wouldn't like the government being able to tell me, maybe i couldn't practice the faith in the way i'd like to. >> time mag...

Trying it convince -- and i agree with you, he's not going to be successful. but i don't think the effort was meaningless. now, the one thing that caught my attention was, he did threaten them one time by saying the american people have had enough of this, and if you guys aren't going to help this out, you're going to have an isolationist america that's going to lead to disaster, and that's absolutely true. >> it is true, and the fact is, if you go to the u.n., you don't want people to imagine that america's going to withdraw. what he's saying is, unless you join my coalition, we're going to g...