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That perhaps putin wanted to be discovered. let's listen. >> but it was also discoverable operation with bread crumbs leading back to this internet research agency, which putin's long time chef is running, they have known each other for many years and it should have been, i think it is something that putin wanted to have been discovered. >> that eads a different twist to -- that adds a different twist to this. the question being, if he's right, why would putin want to be discovered? what kind of message does he want to send to the united states? >> his ultimate goal was to create chaos. later ...

That perhaps putin wanted to be discovered. let's listen. >> but it was also discoverable operation with bread crumbs leading back to this internet research agency, which putin's long time chef is running, they have known each other for many years and it should have been, i think it is something that putin wanted to have been discovered. >> that eads a different twist to -- that adds a different twist to this. the question being, if he's right, why would putin want to be discovered? what kind of message does he want to send to the united states? >> his ultimate goal was to create chaos. later ...

Special counsel. he says it's up to the department of justice. >> going back to russia. when the president said he spoke with putin and putin meant what he said, that there was no collusion -- >> he actually said that putin believed what he said and he wasn't going to get in an argument with him over that when they had bigger things like north korea, the issues in syria that they needed to deal with and work together on. >> so the question being, he's always maintained it was the democrats that colluded with russia. is he saying that putin exonerated the democrats? >> the president believes th...

Justice. brian. >> thank you very much. going back to russia. when he said that he spoke with putin and he believed that they meant what he said. in other words, there was no collusion with the government. >> he actually said he believed that putin believed what he said. and that he wasn't going to get into an argument with him over that when they had bigger things like north korea, like the issues in sierra that they needed to deal with and work together on. >> the question being, he always maintained that the democrats precluded that. is he saying the president exonerated the democrats? >> t...

Do you know anything more about that today, jim? >> we don't. we don't. we know that the president, these were advisers very close to the president. did they communicate they had these conversations with russian officials? we don't know that. did the president direct them to do so similarly with michael flynn? we know that he had these conversations with the russian ambassador about u.s. sanctions on russia during the transition. did he receive guidance from the president or others higher up from him? not my question, that's a question being asked now by senator lindsey graham, john mccain, as...