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Special counsel to him about collusion in russia. the president sometimes says things on twitter that pushes the envelope a bit. this seems strange, after "the new york times" published this list of 49 questions more than a dozen of which were about potential contacts between his campaign and russia during the campaign, which is -- that's the collusion question, the president is asserting that those questions don't exist, that that line of questioning doesn't exist. i have to ask if that makes it hard to follow his lead in terms of running a legal strategy in this matter. >> i don't know if it...

Being here tonight, i really appreciate you making the time. >> not a problem, rachel. >> what is the legal precedent here? it seems like there's an implicit tension in what "the washington post" is reporting, that the special counsel's office is telling the president's lawyers, hey, we have the option to subpoena the president, he can tell us he's not going to testify but we can make him. and it sounds like the president's lawyers are comfortable with the fact that -- or comfortable with the idea that the special counsel doesn't have that power even if they want to try to exert it. is there l...

We don't know everything about those participants. there doesn't seem to be any evidence suggesting that the president was a participant in the hack. but we don't know everything about his campaign and his aides and what he knew about what his campaign and his aides were also doing. >> right. and if he knew, did he authorize it impoli poliimplicitly and ex. carol leonnig, thank you so much for joining us on short notice, and congratulations. always great to have you here. >> of course. >> i want to bring into the conversation now somebody who understands the legal part of this better than i do...