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Well. we actually think there's a genderen an race component to that. >> all right. reddit hudson and kimberly crenshaw, thank you both very much. appreciate it. still ahead, president obama addresses a conference of police chiefs pushing back on the ferguson effect. a look at whether there's data behind the alarmism. because donald trump loves trumpeting his poll numbers it until they start showing him second to ben carson. now they're "not very scientific." on the other hand, hillary shows a huge surge in polls after a strong week of campaigninging. her team says the polls are wrong. we'll l...

>> the government has opened the investigation into civil rights charges. do you think something will come of that, something concrete in eric garner's case? >> well, i think they will study it very carefully. the civil rights, the federal civil rights statute is a criminal statute. and it allows you to prosecute someone for deprivation of civil rights under color of law, meaning under state law using state authority. but there's a race component to it that you have to be able to prove. now, remember, there are two phases to a criminal process. one is the grand jury phase. the second is the tr...

Bundy and setting aside the racism for just a minute, their whole objective embraced by rand paul, shawn hannity before they ran for cover was anti-george washington, anti the founders. anticipate the ideas this country was founded on, which is the central government does have the ability to collect taxes. >> but you highlighted both sides of that coin. in many ways it is a very old tradition that goes pack to the earlier historical roots we have. it is interesting. congressman, i want to ask you about the race component. listen to what cliven bundy said this morning. take a look. >> i thought...

Harris, after hitting him he stopped to see if the boy was okay, to check um on him and then he was attacked. a lot of people, everyone here is pretty much upset about this. black, white, you name it, everyone is ticked off that this happened. and they want to seat guys responsible brought to justice. >> all right. mr. beckman, how do you see he it? is there a race component here? >> maybe not initially, bill, but certainly on a secondary level. i talked earlier tonight with a lady named debra hughes who is a former nurse who came to steve utash's aid after he came to be beaten on the ground o...

Harris, after hitting him he stopped to see if the boy was okay, to check um on him and then he was attacked. a lot of people, everyone here is pretty much upset about this. black, white, you name it, everyone is ticked off that this happened. and they want to seat guys responsible brought to justice. >> all right. mr. beckman, how do you see he it? is there a race component here? >> maybe not initially, bill, but certainly on a secondary level. i talked earlier tonight with a lady named debra hughes who is a former nurse who came to steve utash's aid after he came to be beaten on the ground o...