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He did it on his own, fine. but let me say this to you, donald trump when he said what he said, clumsily or not, the reality is that the family processes it that way, certainly there should have been a follow-up call to explain because both sides could be right or wrong but why are we driving this narrative with name-calling and lies and bringing kelly out and so forth and so on? that's not making him look good whether it's a race issue or not. it makes him look like he's on the ground fighting when he is the president and he ought to be presidential and console her in chief. he continues to f...

To relive anything. >> he is part of the white house. he's the chief of staff. he did it on his own, fine. but let me say this to you, donald trump when he said what he said, clumsily or not, the reality is that the family processes it that way, certainly there should have been a follow-up call to explain because both sides could be right or wrong but why are we driving this narrative with name-calling and lies and bringing kelly out and so forth and so on? that's not making him look good whether it's a race issue or not. it makes him look like he's on the ground fighting when he is the presid...

If that act were lifted. he responded this way about puerto rico. here he is. >> well, we're thinking about that, but we have a lot of shippers and a lot of people that work in the shipping industry that don't want the jones act lifted. >> what's your response to that, general, the president seems concerned about the shipping industry. >> i want to say that's a crying damned shame. i knew since yesterday that big shots on wall street were making this call, and the president has shown again, he don't give a damn about poor people, he don't give a damn about people of color and the sob that's ou...

They feel the need to take a knee, it's more within their rights. so you can't say that a player is right or wrong for taking a knee or not taking a knee. >> so you support their decision to do so. when you made the decision not to do that, can i just ask you why that was? obviously, i know you think that there's race issues in america, so it wasn't because you didn't think there was a race issue? was it an issue about the flag, you thought it would be personally disrespectful for you, or what was your thinking? >> the reason i never took a knee was to make sure that the message was never misc...

Of the flag. >> we are talking about black players making a statement about black and race relations in the country. it is a race issue. >> record except that i think many more people view this as disrespecting the flag. yes, i guess it is a racial issue but as mark said earlier of the other ways that you can in fact, voice your disapproval with the racial situation without making this about the flag? >> are problems with it what he is doing also but the people in power do not do so people protesting what is the right way to protest. >> i am not saying they do not have a right to do it. everyo...