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Me i think that after this has happened this way, i look back at it and think she has learned a lesson in this for sure. that is that, you know it is gonna be very difficult to concentrate on draining the swamp when you are -- >> this is not a race issue, it is a power issue, entitlement issue, mentality. not just those individuals those individuals have ethical problems. but it is a mentality that has gone on for so long and the people are tired of it. it denies them liberty, denies them justice. denial of the principles this country was built on. it is time to get back to the basics, honesty...

Very good at throwing people under the bus. i thought it was a little early. >> bill: casting an aspersion on the president where the evidence is overwhelming. come on, mary katharine. >> you are right. >> bill: what is he supposed to say? that's okay, charlie, you can rent your condo and not declare the income. fine. comen o. -- come on. >> that's what rangel is saying. >> bill: supposed to get presidential pardon? >> obama is doing the right thing by not standing by him which is why he won't get caught up in all of this. it's going to get ugly especially with the race stuff that's going to b...

Under the bus. i thought it was a little early. >> bill: casting an aspersion on the president where the evidence is overwhelming. come on, mary katharine. >> you are right. >> bill: what is he supposed to say? that's okay, charlie, you can rent your condo and not declare the income. fine. comen o. -- come on. >> that's what rangel is saying. >> bill: supposed to get presidential pardon? >> obama is doing the right thing by not standing by him which is why he won't get caught up in all of this. it's going to get ugly especially with the race stuff that's going to be thrown around. the fact is ...

Under the bus. i thought it was a little early. >> bill: casting an aspersion on the president where the evidence is overwhelming. come on, mary katharine. >> you are right. >> bill: what is he supposed to say? that's okay, charlie, you can rent your condo and not declare the income. fine. comen o. -- come on. >> that's what rangel is saying. >> bill: supposed to get presidential pardon? >> obama is doing the right thing by not standing by him which is why he won't get caught up in all of this. it's going to get ugly especially with the race stuff that's going to be thrown around. the fact is ...

Own survival is on the line. beyond that, a black/white issue with charlie and maxine waters saying why don't you treat white congressmen like this? >> sean: do you think this is a race issue? >> i don't. but i could see how they would raise that issue. when somebody is talking about race in the last month, not just this issues, a number of them, i've been worried, once one thing starts about the race it starts to bleed into another. >> 13 ethical violations or whatever >> sean: against rangel. >> right. in my opinion, if you take a close look at government any way juan to look at, you are goi...