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As we speak there's an african american vice president. as we speak there's an african american who is in charge of the department of defense. so we have a complicated situation, and i think the best way of addressing our -- our race question is to just be straightforward and be clear and embrace the tensions, the contradictions, the complexities of race in american life. i think we need actually a new vocabulary. so many of the terms we use, we use these terms over and over, starting with racism, structural racism, critical race theory. these words actually have been weaponized. they are vehi...

By the 1890s in the north, there is a tremendous fear of a world that seems to be floating into disorder and these teeming new cities full of these immigrants speaking unusual languages. maybe the race question should just be left to the south. they've always known how to handle the race question. at the same time, there will be over 9 million african americans mostly in the south. there is no longer the slavery system that kept us all contained. white southerners need to keep this burgeoning black population on the land as laborers, not engaging in educational advancement. they need a new sys...

Problem with racism. the theories of race that most white americans, north or south, still share. by the 1890s, in the north, there is a tremendous fear of a world that seems to be falling into disorder in these teaming new cities full of these people speaking unusual languages. maybe the race question should just be left to the south. they've also always known how to handle the race question. at the same time, there will be over 9 million african-americans mostly in the south.

By the 1890s in the north, there is a tremendous fear of a world that seems to be floating into disorder and these teeming new cities full of these immigrants speaking unusual languages. maybe the race question should just be left to the south. they've always known how to handle the race question. at the same time, there will be over 9 million african americans mostly in the south. there is no longer the slavery system that kept us all contained. white southerners need to keep this burgeoning black population on the land as laborers, not engaging in educational advancement.

Even after decades of studying the race question. i am thus no longer a confident optimist. that's a big statement because usually, you know, african-americans will say, i can't believe people underestimated or didn't think that donald trump would get elected. of course he could. of course there's racism in this country. it's just the larger culture, meaning white people, didn't see it because they didn't have to deal with it on a daily basis like people of color. did you underestimate how much racial resentment was bubbling underneath the surface? >> yes, it's humbling to say so, but it's tru...