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Constitution emol umeant clause, it's something that i think sets a precedent if we don't push back against a future ceo want tock president of the united states and saying you cannot, you cannot take the oath of office for the most powerful position in the world without completely dividing yourself, divesting yourself from your personal, private businesses, it is really dangerous precedent. and that's why right now it's not about the character of this president but also his actions currently in office. >> and son congresswoman, you were also at the center of this rather prolonged emotional ex...

It is entirely possible for any of those things to be true and for a person to still do things that are racist. it's like you can do something that is dumb. it doesn't mean your whole entire being is dumb. you made a stupid decision. so you did a racist act, or you made a racist statement. does that make you entirely a racist? no. but the act of what you did can actually be racist and short-sighted. frankly, though, a whole lot of what we heard today was beside the point. what we were supposed to be doing is trying to get to the start. this is where i started. we're supposed to be getting to t...

Racist act. we need to learn from it and move on. i have worked and talked with mr. meadows. i have a lot -- he and i are people who can sit in the room and disagree and have respect for each other. but i need to tell him, and i need to speak up when something is wrong, it's inappropriate. and this hopefully is a learning lesson for all of us. >> well, this is a conversation that could continue for the rest of the hour, but so appreciate your insights, your perspective, your thoughts on what happened yesterday. congresswoman brenda lawrence, reverend al sharpton, thanks to both of you. >> than...

Racist. it is incensensitive some wouldy it to use a black woman as a prop. i can submit this for the record if they are thinking that's what i'm saying. as a person of color that's how i felt at that moment and i wanted to express that. i'm saying it is a racist act. >> i hope not. i need to be clear on this. >> mr. meadows. wait a minute. >> i defended you. >> mr. meadows. i'm the chair. >> yes, sir, you are. >> i will clear this up. >> now, is it -- i want to make sure i understand.

And it is insensitive at someone would say it's racist in itself and use a black woman as a prop to approve it otherwise. i can submit it to the record. i am saying that's what i believed to have happened. as a person of color in this committee, that's how i felt at that moment and i wanted to express that. i'm not calling the gentleman, mr. meadows, a racist for doing so. i'm saying in itself it's a racist act. >> i hope not, mr. chairman. i want to be clear. >> mr. meadows, wait a minute. >> i have defended you. >> mr. meadows. i am the chair. >> yes, sir, you are. >> thank you. ms. tlaib, i...