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And you consider yourself a news consumer of reputable news organizations, what do you think the takeaway is here? >> i look from the point of view of news producers. we have to do soul searching and see what we are delivering to people. the media consumer should look at what we're saying with a grain of salt knowing we see it as our job to be negative, a adver adversarial. but there's a real problem when we are being adversarial when a guy doesn't pass a bill when another is trying to overthrow democracy. >> they weren't more negative of trump, radio it? just to be clear, we're looking at thi...

This is my first return. . >> you and i have covered campaigns for a minute or two. i have never seen an incumbent -- i have never seen an article like this. >> yeah. >> where there is a feeling there needs to be reassurance. >> it obviously starts with his age, radio it? but i think there are other things going on here. there is existential dread. making it harder to vote and easier to subvert the result. everything you are hearing from donald trump, accelerating the big lie, intensifying it. con couple tphapbt with that there is a concern that no one else in the democratic party looks capabl...

Your $300,000 was paid to donna to get sabrina into school, even though she was wasn't a legitimate basketball player at that level. so i'm not going to say that to the irs, obviously. >> okay. >> you're okay with that, radio it? >> of course. >> donna heinel was charged in 2019 and has pleaded not guilty. her attorney told cnn, quote, rick singer is a known liar. nothing he says about hi client since he became a government informant can or should be believed. they are just two of dozens of parents involved in the scandal, including felicity huffman and laura laughlin who pleaded guilty and se...

Taylor greene saying the president is still the president. and these are, you know, members of the republican party in good standing collaboraing with those who want to bring down our democracy in its current form. here's a literal example of the danger of this. this story is a bit under the radar. listen to this. late last year you may or may not know this a mob showed up at the oregon capitol building, protesting coronavirus restrictions in the state. something we saw in state after state. in ways pre-staged what happened at the national capitol. and this mob managed to get inside the buildi...

Oh, by the way, there's federal criminal proceedings against rudy giuliani's associates that could provide more information for impeachment trial down the line. so there are a bunch of gears turning simultaneously which informs the pelosi decision to say we can sit on our hands for two weeks and not affect this and just see how much additional information shakes out. >> you raised the "spectre" of a second impeachment. the council for the house saying that could happen. if as garrett says, we get more information, new evidence, they could pursue this once again. >> well, it could happen. frank...