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Reports this past march. now we know one of the kablgts was about the transition. does this raise concerns for you? >> no, it doesn't. i have to disagree with my friend tony that there's smoke. i think there's smoke that the left and critics of trump swrb looking for just isn't gearing. i think after ten months of investigation and the leaks that were going on, swb would have been saying something right now. there's always this inwento, oh, there's something around the corner. i would be concerned if he had not been meeting with sbler national leaders including business home. as someone who we...

Election, you know, those raise concerns for me. just like what's going on in the house and to some extent on the senate. and to some extent the broader conversations that are so partisan and so hypocritical to me those are warning signs that somebody may not be destined or suited for this role. so i would prefer somebody who is steeped in an understanding of how doj works, how the fbi works and they haven't been a clearly partisan politician in the recent past. >> matt, which way do you think you see this going? >> in terms of who he will pick? >> yeah. >> well, i mean, ron raises some really...

Tainted actions by president nixon. >> even if a special prosecutor is named they're still going to be relying on the fbi and it's the fbi now directed by somebody appointed by president trump. does that raise concerns for you? >> it's certainly not a perfect remedy but i think it public would have a lot more confidence. and a prosecutor has the ability to tell the bureau to investigate this, to report back on these witnesses. they can really have an active hand in the condicauct of the investigation. this can't be a situation where the president pick as crony and anothinger as an independent ...

With a criminal investigation. after all, the president calls this whole investigation a fake, and here the fbi director, along with all his other flaws and i have criticisms about how he handled the hillary clinton email investigation, for this president to fire him, not at the beginning of his administration when he wanted to make a fresh start, but seemingly out of the blue after comey announced that he was investigating the donald trump associates, it just harkens back to some of those most tainted actions by president nixon. >> even if a special prosecutor is named, they are still going t...

Don mcgahn was responding to all this. if this was coming from the top, it puts a different cast on everything that took place after that. and that's why today's testimony ratchets up the questions that go to the president himself. >> listen to what michael just said. white house counsel don mcgahn asked why it was concerning to the d.o.j. that one official lied to another. she explained that flynn was compromised. if the white house was looking at this as more of an administrative matter, does that raise concerns of the white house judgment at the time? >> it seems like they're saying, this i...