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Controversy would come to light, when the "access hollywood" tape came to light, when the allegation against kavanaugh came to light this time, when christine blasey ford initially gave that testimony in front of the committee. in those comments, politically, it looked like the nomination was finished. politically in '16, it looked like donald trump was finished. but what would then happen was, over the next couple of days -- hours, days, weeks even, the republican side, the right side of the divide in this country would start to see the issue in different terms. and they would start to see it...

Hours, days, weeks even, the republican side, the right side of the divide in this country would start to see the issue in different terms. and they would start to see it more in terms of who their enemies were, how their enemies were treating them, how their enemies were treating this story. this was the media, the democrats. this was popular culture ganging up on, in this case, brett kavanaugh. looking -- turning over every stone trying to get every piece of information out there, even including the michael avenatti stuff. it ends up having this rallying effect where there's a rallying behin...

Castle and worrying that that did not end. it doesn't go away because kavanaugh was confirmed. >> reporter: no question about it. i've been surprised with senators how cognizant they've been of the protests and they see how much this has resonated around the country. you talk about the protest and everybody has jeff flake in the mind. he was approached in the elevator by two sexual assault survivors and what happened after that, where he seemed pull off the nomination for at least a week. the other has also occurred. kind of the counterfactual has occurred. it had a rallying effect on a lot of...

Legislative tools it's political pressure. to the extent there is a strategy, it's first the lay for time, to ratchet up pressure and say republicans you have got to kick this off until at least after the election. >> that seems to be the strategy for now. but it is a gam about it because we don't know what the makeup of the senate is going to be like after the november elections. it could very well favor republicans just given what the map looks like. but as we were talking earlier, this also seems to be somewhat of a motivating mobilizing tool among democrats to purgt mobilimobile i -- to fu...

It. they knew something already. this was not speculative. the fact they had permission to surveil him for as long as they did. >> one paradox is as this is happening and the new threat emerges, trump's job approval rating is stabilizing to the higher end of the spectrum. >> it is true, but it goes low, it's going higher now to the low 40s, right? >> that is still very low. >> the trading range is 39 to 45. >> even this scandal, the last time a president was ensnared in legal scandal, there was a rallying effect and an able to spr separate what was happening in the country. >> there is a diffe...