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There. how about the mcconnell camp? how are they reacting? >> mcconnell camp pretty confident so far. my understanding is they'd prefer to have judd run. they think they can link judd to president obama. president obama lost in kentucky by 23 points and ashley judd has been a pretty big obama advocate. they think they can run ads that say judd equals obama and win that state. mcconnell people are worried particularly if grimes runs. his approval rating is only about 37% which means there's a lot of room, 60% of voters or so are open to someone different running there. so if grimes or judd ran...

I'm not saying anything is certain, but i think to go to the question you asked me, chris, i think she's got to look at those numbers, and she's got to look at the chance and say, i will make history, and i will make a lot of women and little girls very, very proud. >> you can always learn from the other side, guys. always try to learn from both sides in this business of analysis, and ronald reagan ran a pretty good campaign in '76 and almost knocked off an incumbent president, jerry ford. he came back as a supply-sider with a totally different approach and fired his campaign manager after win...

That she ran a terrible campaign, and so i'm really reluctant to say she's the front-runner again because she was the front-runner in 2007, and we saw what happened. but this is different. i'm not saying anything is certain, but i think to go to the question you asked me, chris, i think she's got to look at those numbers, and she's got to look at the chance and say, i will make history, and i will make a lot of women and little girls very, very proud. >> you can always learn from the other side, guys. always try to learn from both sides in this business of analysis, and ronald reagan ran a pre...

Her as this convenient device. and this thing is, he need not reach back to her first lady days, to the days where you can say no, no, no, that is not where you have examples. it would be in her senate career and the role as secretary of state. if he is going to praise her role as secretary of state, he would in effect be praising president obama. and he can't allow himself to do that. >> that is right, and also i recall there was an upset at this other cable station that shall not be named about her tenure of secretary of state about benghazi. so he is being very disingenuous in his praise, a...

Not to attack hillary clinton. it is just that rove is using her as this convenient device. and this thing is, he need not reach back to her first lady days, to the days where you can say no, no, no, that is not where you have examples. it would be in her senate career and the role as secretary of state. if he is going to praise her role as secretary of state, he would in effect be praising president obama. and he can't allow himself to do that. >> that is right, and also i recall there was an upset at this other cable station that shall not be named about her tenure of secretary of state abou...