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Increases at some point. that's more of a fluid reason than the saving routes on cds. for shareholders, neil, lastly who own bank stocks, they may see a long-term boost in value because banks do well in a higher rate environment. we know tomorrow we'll hear from four key banks. j.p. morgan chase, wells fargo, pnc financial. analysts will watch for details about loan growth. that's a key metric. >> neil: thanks, deidra. 1,400 points in two days. 5% of the dow jones. nothing like in 1987 we lost 508 points but that represented a quarter of the wealth in the dow. that was then, some perspective t...

Crazy but it's up three times, you know, 25,000. brian: so 25,000. what does that tell you about our economy? >> the economy is very strong, but i think there are some concerns. because we have never been in an environment rising rate environment, huge debt and deficit a protectionist kind of rhetoric and then more importantly this type of dysfunction in washington. brian: therwashington.there are concerns right now but the market feels really good. brian: why is confidence at such a high? >> it's such a high because the consumer feels good. the markets feel good. the tax cut, obviously was a ...

>> neil: what struck me as interesting, all volatility. the swings that heretofore we haven't seen. he said that won't stop me from rate hikes down the road. what did you make of that? >> the fed has been very transparent. that continues. gary is right about this. whoever is coming in was going to be in a rising rate environment. the economy is doing so well, the fed says he may raise them more than expected. that is a very good thing but the market is trying to weigh how much of a negative it is on the rising rate environments. >> neil: gary, higher rates we can all remember. a whole generati...

Rates faster than expected. history has shown us when you have a rising rate environment, especially with rates moving faster than expected, that can have an impact on consumer spending. so that of course is a big concern. despite the rebound we're seeing on wall street today, yes, the dow is up about 200 points, nasdaq and s&p 500 higher as well, we're still witnessing one of the most volatile weeks in wall street history with the dow down about 9% just this week. again, on those concerns not just about the economy but rising rates as well. we've been seeing a lot of volatility in the bond ma...

Don't. experience counts. i think right now we're actually moving away from that. there's more analytics. >> neil: and the algorithms are trading. and a push of a button and accentuates the wild swings. >> the higher highs and lower lows. the pendulum swings to the extreme. we had a 1,200 point swing. we've had that a few times other than one direction. so i think we're in a new normal and this new normal this year will be high volatility. because the fact is, at the end of the day, we don't know where growth will come out. we have a rising rate environment and we don't know whether the corpor...