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Payers could afford it, water from detroit is no safer than water from flint. wrong! . wrong a billion times over. but of course he was the emergency manager. he got to decide what flint did, not the just for show city council and yeah, so they may have voted to switch back and save the kids of flint, but that was dead on arrival with rick snyder's emergency manager who kiboshed the whole thing. in this disaster, counting that guy, counting -- and you count the guy who signed the order to switch the water and signed the assurance that the water from the new source would be safe, all in all, we...

You have a duty to your rate payers. you've got to choose the cheapest option and that used to be coal and no longer. >> there are some people that would say they wouldn't want to use coal at all any more. do we have the technology in place today if we wanted to totally do away with coal and natural gas? are we aways away from that? >> we're certainly not ready to do away with natural gas. in some of these states you're seeing natural gas which is a fossil fuel but not nearly as dirty as coal replacing coal and in fact although the sierra club has a beyond gas campaign i wrote about how there'...

>> let's talk about iowa and oklahoma and kansas and in nebraska, south dakota and texas, where coal plants are coming down wind is being installed. solar is being installed, and rate payers are paying less money less money. we are saving money by getting off of coal while we protect our held. >> i'll give you the last word. >> that's you, jeff. >> >> i'll take the last word. >> michael is very clever but, if, in fact all those things are true we wouldn't need epa regulation. >> all right. great to have you all with us tonight. we'll have you back talking about this. all of you. keep it right ...

The 19-year-old was ticketed for public urination and could face other charges due to the cost of the clean-up. a water sample is being analyzed. while the risk to public health is said to be almost nonexistence, the portland water bureau decided to flush all 38 million gallons of water and clean the reservoir. >> the reason is because my commitment to our customers is we're not going to deliver them water that we know has been contaminated, even if it's a little tiny bit. >> and the other reason is this is a drop in the bucket for the water bureau. they have 17 billion gallons of water sittin...

Have to spend about $400 million on infrastructure to provide water to the oil and gas companies for fracking. to frac a single well takes hundreds of trucks carrying water. the trucks that damage our roads at a cost of about $1 billion a year to repair. there are real costs to the taxpayers, the rate payers of texas that come with fracking that don't get enough attention. >> we're going to continue this debate on the other side of the break, but for now, luke metzger, thank you very much for joining us from austin, texas. >> thanks, joy. when we come back, we'll bring in some celebs. yoko o...