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Liquor store. i say do the flat tax. it's like they have a flat tax and we don't. we have a tax code that is designed to entrap. >> bill baldwin is a flat tax the answer? >> i think the virtues of flatness have been greatly exaggerated. now, steve forbes is right to be harping on that tune. i mean, why, after all, if you have a kid in college should you be filling out a form that asks you for your american exclusion and then domestic activities deduction. that's absurd but i don't think flattening the rate structure and taking 40% down to 20% is going to simplify anything. we still have all of...

Medicare and nothing which is going to happen. what they are doing by xeping the revenue is dialing back ever so slightly the size of the magic asterisk. >> he is a "wall street journal" op-ed out tonight where they talk about it they want a tax reform that brings the it down to two rates only. 10% and 25%. he is not going to say in this budget how. he says forthcoming showing how. that seems to be a very difficult thing to do in a mildly progressive way. >> it's mathematically possible to bring oun rates for high earners when you move to a rate structure like that without raising rates on low...

Going to happen. what they are doing by xeping the revenue is dialing back ever so slightly the size of the magic asterisk. >> he is a "wall street journal" op-ed out tonight where they talk about it they want a tax reform that brings the it down to two rates only. 10% and 25%. he is not going to say in this budget how. he says forthcoming showing how. that seems to be a very difficult thing to do in a mildly progressive way. >> it's mathematically possible to bring down rates for high earners when you move to a rate structure like that without raising rates on low and middle income people if ...

Right? the campaign was about taxpayerness. there's a head line in the it's in unless a good piece by andy lowery saying we now have the most progressive rate structure since probably the carter years. i want to take a deep dive, if this is about fairness. have we stepped in the right direction in fairness, right after this break. with unitedhealthcare, i get information that matters... my individual health profile. not random statistics. they even reward me for addressing my health risks. so i'm doing fine... but she's still going to give me a heart attack. we're more than 78,000 people looki...

Understand this principle. bill clinton famously said the era of big government is over and the end of wel welfare as we know it. why? because government is not the answer. government is the problem. there was that other iconic democrat, the one that occupied the oval office in 1962. he spoke of the benefits of cutting taxes. president obama, i hope you're watching this. >> this can be the most important step we could take to prevent another recession. that is the right time to make tax cuts both for your family budget and the national budget. resulting from a permanent basic reform and reduct...