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Themselves in the mirror. whatever excuse you use to get to the transitional housing unit to me is just a crock of [ bleep ]. it's just a scam. it's individuals just trying to play the last card they have, saying, hey, you know what? i got to get out of here. the only thing good about them debriefers and rats is that they could never return back to their neighborhoods. they're ostracized. >> leon's anger is aimed at men like miguel perez, once a high-ranking member of the mexican mafia himself. perez had already left the gang several years before we met him, and he's not looked back. >> as for...

Convict code is the code of silence. talking about gang business can get members killed. >> they got rules, and we got rules within the rules, you know. among different people or among different races. but we have to deal with it. you know, i can't elaborate too much on it. >> the subject was clearly off the table when we sat down at pelican bay state prison with raul leon, alleged to be one of the leaders of the most powerful prison gang of all, the mexican mafia. >> how powerful is the mexican mafia here at pelican bay? >> i don't even touch on that right there. i don't speak on it myself, y...

On his orders. >> serving a life sentence for murder, leon lives in what is widely regarded as the most restrictive environment in the state of california -- pelican bay security housing unit or shu. inmates are confined to their cells for all but 90 minutes per day, which they're allowed to spend in a nearby concrete exercise area. leon had been living here for 14 years when we met him. >> i always tell people, they ain't built a prison hard enough to break me, you know? and some of us are stronger than others. i think that's what pelican bay is about. only the strongest are the ones that are...

He would have riots take place on his orders. >> serving a life sentence for murder, leon lives in what is widely regarded as the most restrictive environment in the state of california -- pelican bay security housing unit or shu. inmates are confined to their cells for all but 90 minutes per day, which they're allowed to spend in a nearby concrete exercise area. leon had been living here for 14 years when we met him. >> i always tell people, they ain't built a prison hard enough to break me, you know? and some of us are stronger than others. i think that's what pelican bay is about. only the ...

Whatever excuse you use to get to the transitional housing unit to me is just a crock of [ bleep ]. it's just a scam. it's individuals just trying to play the last card they have, saying, hey, you know what? i got to get out of here. the only thing good about them debriefers and rats is that they could never return back to their neighborhoods. they're ostracized. >> leon's anger is aimed at men like miguel perez, once a high-ranking member of the mexican mafia himself. perez had already left the gang several years before we met him, and he's not looked back. >> as for what soured myself on the...