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Transcripts of conversations or the emails that the nsa has gotten their hands on. in that story, charles, the overwhelming feeling is that there were do-gooders, that is how they saw themselves, we have to make sure the country knows what the administration was up to. if we didn't leave these tea leaves and open these doors, it was all going to go away, and they would never know. that is a pretty big assumption to say, we are going to change these rules because we have decided that this is what is best for the american people. >> and there is a second problematic aspect which is the way the i...

That information is ever shared throughout the community or the white house or wherever, there has to be a compelling reason for national security, for why this information has to leave. if you collect on americans, foreign intelligence agencies, that information should be deep-sixed and thus there is a compelling reason. if there is a compelling reason, you can share it, but it has to be masked. what it appears happened here, these transcripts were shared and went all the way to the white house, raw intelligence. in my ten years on the committee, i never saw raw intelligence. i only saw intel...

The question is, where they are abusing statute by using the foreign is driving as an excuse, an avenue to get in, and that the real purpose was to listen in on americans. that's the larger charge. that would be a pretty big violation of what you're supposed to do. the lesser charge is, they overshot on flynn or perhaps they improperly unmasked the name of somebody else. but the question is, was there an intent to abuse the listening in on the foreigners as a way to get inside and improperly is the name on americans. and as you know, that's the one thing these agents are not supposed to do. in...

Transcripts of conversations or the emails that the nsa has gotten their hands on. in that story, charles, the overwhelming feeling is that there were do-gooders, that is how they saw themselves, we have to make sure the country knows what the administration was up to. if we didn't leave these tea leaves and open these doors, it was all going to go away, and they would never know. that is a pretty big assumption to say, we are going to change these rules because we have decided that this is what is best for the american people. >> and there is a second problematic aspect which is the way the i...

This information and free flow. actually, what do you think? democrats in the past, including al franken, have complained about this 702 rule, that it can easily be misused and abused. >> there are two issues, we have late-breaking news this afternoon and early this evening that chairman nunes conceded that it may not even be that there were any trump transition members on these interceptions, that is may have even been as little as foreigners discussing the trump transition. >> martha: just to clarify, he's not sure -- what it seems to say, could have been phone calls, could have been emails....