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Over winning, you know, a series of elections. >> i think they've gotten a taste in the trump period of what real unadulterated raw power, where you could use any rule, change rules, ignore laws, go after individuals, and do all of this and understand that your base is with you, encourages you to do this, and to start really doling out the punishment of enemies. don't forget part of the attack on the capitol was this crazy ideology that developed where donald trump was a hero, martyr, god emperor of the united states in the qanon philosophy, and many of those people believed they were going to...

Malcolm, about looking at these text messages, exchanges that have been made public this week, is realizing sort of -- we knew people were talking out of two sides of their mouth, but to actually see it play out -- it's not just the fox news hosts, it's trump's own son sending a text message reading we need an oval office address. he has to lead now. it has gone too far and gotten out of hand. all these people, though, i mean, that is what they were saying on that day still attacking the investigation. we always come back to this question, malcolm, of when republican leaders, when republican l...

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Liberals get lots of help from media elites to sell the myth about the dark cloud, antidemocracy cloud hanging over the g.o.p. even former conservative david burke, who are kind of stuck in an early 20s time warp help market the trunk as authoritarian myth, writing trumpian authoritarianism doesn't renounce holy war, it embraces holy war, assumes it is permanent. in fact, seeks to make it so. in the trumpian war, disputes are settled by raw power and intimidation. holy war? has david never heard of dick cheney? does he really not know how often the bush family relied on raw power and intimidat...

Security laws but liberals don't get lots of help from media elites to sell or miss about the dark cloud anti-democracy cloud hanging over the gop. people like former conservative david brooks our stock in an early 2000s time warp helps market the trump as authoritarian myth writing trumpian authoritarianism doesn't renounce holy war, it embraces holy war, assumes it is permanent and seeks to make it so. in the trumpian world disputes are settled by raw power and intimidation. holy war? has david never heard of dick cheney, does he not know how often the bush family relied on raw power and int...