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Church and people who have been through some things. they know you know what your are arspeaking of and you have both of those things. >> and i'm there to share with them i was once that person or i hung with that person that was like that and they start looking -- listening to the real message because i'm real, i'm raw and up front because the streets didn't play with me out there so why should we come to church and play with the peoplp? >> i think that's the first time i've heard of a pastor call themselves raw. the raw reverend. >> oh, i like that. there's love missing. i could hug one of t...

Somebody who has credibility and lived a life and been through some things. people know you know what you're thinking of. you have both of those things. >> that's a good thing. they work very well together. i'm there to share with them. i was once that person or i hung with that person, a person that was like that. then they start looking at the -- listening to the real message because i believe in being real. i'm raw and up front. the streets didn't play with maine the streets don't play. why should we come in church of and play with the people? >> i think that's the first time i heard a past...

The black community. people who know you've been through things, you know what you're speaking of. >> that's a good thing. they work very well together. and i'm there to share with them, i was once that person, or i hung with that person, a person that was like that. and then they get -- they start looking -- listening to the real message because i believe in being real. i am, i'm raw, and i'm up front because the streets didn't play with me out there. the streets don't play. so, why should we come in church and play with the people? >> i think this is the first time i've ever heard a pastor d...