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Do you have any insight into how they're viewing all this right now? >> well, they hate seeing the court put in the political maelstrom. they can't stand this. it's inconsistent with what they think is the role of the court. they don't like confirmation hearings, the circus that confirmation hearings have become to begin with. they certainly can't stand this. and surely for clarence thomas, who hasn't gotten over his hearings almost 30 years ago, this has to reopen old wounds. now, you asked before, are they looking at other candidates. if you were ray kethledge and amy coney barrett, you woul...

Hardiman. he is only 53 years old and he's important because the president really liked his personal story. it was the first in his family to graduate from college. he drove a cab for a while. and the president liked what he could bring to the table. he was the runner up last time around. and there are two other people we don't think that they're in play tonight, largely because they're in their home states. but one was ray kethledge. he was considered gorsuch 2.0 because he shares the same judicial philosophy as neil gorsuch and scalia. finally judge amy coney barrett. president trump put her...

She will not confirm or deny, though, if she is the president's selection. keep in mind, she was one of trump's final four along with thomas hardiman, brett kavanaugh and ray kethledge. he had a list of 25, these are the four that all extensive reporting has honed in on. "outfront" now, david gergen. he's been through this before. not in this way. no one has. joan biskupic and john avlon. thanks to all. david, week got amy coney barrett, maybe not, from what we see at her home. thomas hardiman, though, certainly has to be at the top of the list, right? he was the runner-up after neil gorsuch. ...

Come -- common elements to him. brett kavanaugh, some conservatives concerned about a 2011 opinion that he wrote on obamacare. also mitch mcconnell concern that having written 300 opinions for the d.c. circuit, there's a long paper trail that democrats could slow walk through the confirmation process and there's only 83 days to get the confirmation done before the next term in the beginning of october. ray kethledge would be a safe choice. he's from the university from michigan. a lot of folks like the way he writes his opinions. and then there's amy coney barrett. the president would like to ...

Done. >> dana: do you know any of the other judges? we have raymond kethledge. he's at the sixth circuit court of appeals. >> ray kethledge, i was on the bush judicial selection committee when we made him a circuit court judge. he's very smart. unlike judge kavanaugh, he went to public school, the university of michigan, which may be appealing to the report. very conservative record. he has written extensively on the issue of the role of law making at the agencies within the deregulatory world that this president is interested in. they may be of interest to the president. >> dana: and a lot of...