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though is the championing progress being made not only on the economic front but numbers that he says are proving that the inflation reduction act is beginning to bear some fruit. there's a great deal of division over whether that is happening. this three-state trip, by the way, three strong blue states that he's going to is an interesting thing to do less than a month before the mi mid- mid-terms. want to keep you up on that and how this is playingout and the strategy of the white house with a little less than four weeks until the general elections. jacqui heinrich at the white hous...

and is a soft landing for the u.s. economy still possible, or are we heading toward a recession? let's ask the chairman and ceo of baird company. jason, nice of you here. lots of turmoil in the financial markets. i wonder what you think they're telling us. is this just the end of easy money with higher rates adjustment -- and the adjustment to that, or is it something deeper in the economy? >> i think it primarily is an end to easy money, and the fact really is that the fed has obscured what the rate in the markets has been for 13 year. so there's an adjustment period right now. i th...

Midterm, democrats got crushed. couldn't you see this happening again and biden coming back in the next two years and winning re-electioning? i mean, it's happened before. >> it has, but two problems there, paul. one of them is that they weren't, neither clinton nor obama were dealing with this inflation issue. and if that interview you did earlier in the show is correct, we could still be dealing with for several years to come. two, clinton and obama both changed tactics after that midterm blowout. they pivoted. they went a different direction. again, i just see no indication of joe biden wan...

What he do it three months before his own re-electioning? >>ing. > one friday afternoon, he decides he was going to pull back on the birtherism just like that. he said president obama is a united states citizen born in this country. and he had no problem 180ing on everything he had said before. that's to say on a friday afternoon before halloween he just says i'm going to pardon everybody who is in trouble and there will be a lot of squealing for three or four days because mitch mcconnell is going to do anything. the courts aren't going to do anything. why shouldn't i. >> there's a little and ...

In 2016 on the republican side were not there, in part because they have their own re-electioning or some of them aren't members of the nga, they're members of the rga. governor christie was there, it was interesting. there was a governors-only luncheon saturday. >> i was just about to bring him up. >> afterwards, he took questions from reporters for 10 or 12 minutes and answered -- you quoted some of it. he was critical of the president on the issue of israel. he was, i thought, somewhat more evasive on some of the questions about immigration, for example. but partly what he was trying to do ...