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We may be locking up our next generation of finders and believers and doers in the united states. >> it's a pretty incredible story, jose. and he wants to do this work here, learn how to lawyer on that 7th circuit. he just took the bar and will get his results next month. >> and you're interviewing jarrett later on our air today. what's next for him? >> well, he's got this clerkship and he's got a clerkship with the federal district court. what he says he wants to do, jose, is represent people who are hurt by poverty and inequality in the system, something he felt he experienced, and he hopes ...

Rejoin society. all of us are part of that effort. >> the pontiff's call for the public to invest more in the incarcerated added a spiritual dimension to the groundswell we've seen in favor of prison reform which reached new heights thursday as a group of bipartisan senators proposed groundbreaking criminal justice reforms including more emphasis on re-entry programs for the recently released. that last component is vital as a five-year study by the bureau of justice statistics found that nearly 57% of re-arrested prisoners were arrested in the first year of their release from prison. what thi...

From where they have been with respect to this primary. i think it's important for the media to make sure they are honest about who they are and what they have done. >> i have to ask you one last issue about the jails. the system is so big it makes national news. i know we have worked on issues in previous jobs. do you have an issue on what will happen with this huge old jail in los angeles the the sheriff talked about closings down? >> i think he's closing down the old part of the jail. that will be -- the devil will be in the details. i want to make sure whatever we do, we're not just lettin...

There is a connection between the two. >> the point that i'm making here is that the reason you can't solve it is because we are not acknowledging the fact that it's so much about race. >> right. >> you know, it's not -- everyone agrees violent crime is bad. you know, and that we should be addressing it. but we address it in such a wild and out of control way because the people who are harmed by it working in -- people who are not represented. >> hey, wasn't "weeds" a terribly popular show on show time? >> sure. >> they're dealing drugs right there. >> you always have to -- >> crime is the pro...

Best, most secure way to deal with this problem is to create more treatment, more re-entry programs. all of this money that was supposed to be made available now, and like the money that became available after defense spending was supposedly no longer necessary seems to be going right back into incarceration. >> can i answer this question? >> yes. please. since we are role playing, let's just go the whole way. >> here is the problem with the treatment problem in the country. the problem with the treatment model in the country is that it's forced. would you like to go to jail or would you like ...