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Show. >> cnn said they heard a racial epithet on the call. >> you're going to take several years ago, reach out there and pull it out and say screw the rest of the media, right? >> i have a concrete example. has cnn apologized for that. >> i didn't even work here then. here is an example from breitbart that people point to the black crime section of the site. those are sited. when bannon was hired, that was cited as an example of divisive section. >> there's no black crime section of the website. that's been completely overblown by critics of breitbart who don't read breitbart and don't unders...

He does things for people when he think they have been fair. >> what does it mean now going forward? for him to call the media the opposition party, he's not including breitbart in that catego category. what does it mean for this relationship going forward? >> well, i think there's some journalists who revel in being the opposition party. i think it gives them relevance and i think they like it. i don't think it's the appropriate role for the media. the media will always be independent of the government and so they'll oppose in that passive way any government by producing truth and fact. i thi...

Breitbart is criticized as a far right wing echo chamber. it's important that we understand that's happening. we shouldn't treat it like it's an exotic enterprise. joining me to discuss all this is the senior editor at large of breitbart. joel, great to see you. >> good to be with you. >> i understand you're on the management side of breitbart but i wanted to ask you about the readership and the audience. when you're writing for the site, who do you picture as the breitbart reader? i feel like breitbart gets ster stereotyped. who is your audience? >> i think we're a conservative news site. we ...

Broken his first promise when he said he wasn't going to investigate or prosecute hillary clinton. that was a big theme on the campaign trail. breitbart focused on the promises he made on the campaign trial and much less these other shiny bubble stories. we have focused on the substantive issues of policy where president trump is expected to deliver on his promises. >> folks on twitter are telling me that i'm normalizing breitbart by having you on this program. what i want know is what you learned in your reporting for your book about how trump won. how much was about sewi insowin division and...

It was as if he was draining himself in front of the cameras. if you listen to a trump speech and don't read breitbart, you don't understand when he throws something out there, like philadelphia -- >> that's been the case, even in the debates, when he knows he's before an audience he goes off on sid blumenthal and connecting these dots that ordinary americans have no idea what they are. >> i think the people who do understand it, this is why you can't cauterize the trump wound and limit it at him. someone like john mccain understands the future of staying in your job dependses on appeasing you...