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Destroy sony's reputation. so all the stuff we're seeing now -- and not just the gender pay disparity but embarrassing e-mail, a sony executive talking smack about a star. it's giving the criminals what they wanted, isn't it? >> it is. there's a question about complicity or not. the important thing to remember is these documents were published publicly by the hackers themselves. they've been distributed through the media, but they've been made public long before we decided to do anything with them. >> sony -- i got to think that it's real crisis mode. you have got a situation in which people a...

Pay disparity but embarrassing e-mail, a sony executive talking smack about a star. it's giving the criminals what they wanted, isn't it? >> it is. there's a question about complicity or not. the important thing to remember is these documents were published publicly by the hackers themselves. they've been distributed through the media, but they've been made public long before we decided to do anything with them. >> sony -- i got to think that it's real crisis mode. you have got a situation in which people are reading back and forths about films in development in which executives are saying nas...