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About the deficit goes out the window. at the very least, if they were to have the intellectual courage of their convictions, they would be talking about how many hundreds of billions more over a period of years they would need not to put it on the deficit. third, and here's the key point, what graham and mccain are talking about, let's be very clear, is the indefinite occupation of both afghanistan and iraq by a substantial number of americans. when mccain says a few americans, nonsense. you're not going to send a few americans into a difficult situation like that. now we're into vietnam all ...

Not to put it on the deficit. third, and here's the key point, what graham and mccain are talking about, let's be very clear, is the indefinite occupation of both afghanistan and iraq by a substantial number of americans. when mccain says a few americans, nonsense. you're not going to send a few americans into a difficult situation like that. now we're into vietnam all over again with a handful of advisers. they will be in the midst of the battle. so the question is, does america have some obligation or self-interest in permanently maintaining a status quo in both afghanistan and iraq that oth...