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The judge? because they were very complex. i mean, reading them, they were tough to follow. >> right. and that was our problem. i mean, it was just so confusing what was what and what we could apply to what. because, i mean, there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading it over and over and over again, we decided there's just no way other place to go. >> because of the two options you had, second-degree murder or manslaughter, you felt neither applied. >> right. well, because of the ...

Situation leading to it, all the steps -- as the ball got rolling. >> him spotting trayvon martin, whether all of that could play a role in -- >> determining the self-defense or not. >> did you feel like you understood the instructions from the judge? because they were very complex. i mean, reading them, they were tough to follow. >> that was our problem. it was just so confusing with what and what we could apply to what. because i mean, there was a couple of them in there that wanted to find him guilty of something. and after hours and hours and hours of deliberating over the law and reading ...

Casey anthony 4 hours to 20 minutes. o.j. less than 4 hours. what does this tell us, if anything? >> this is interesting. as many cases as i've tried, you know, there is no rhyme or reason. a lot of people say in a more complicated case, if they come back quickly then it is not favorable for the defendant. or it will be favorable for the defendant. you know, you really just can't tell. but i know a lot of people were saying in this particular case, why is it taking so long? jury instructions as ricky can tell you are pages are a pages and pages long. this case has a lot of lesser-included offe...

>> owe share the frustration of workers who lost their jobs. if critics are right i made decisions based on polls i must not be very good a reading them. and while i'm proud of what we've achieved together, i'm far more mindful my own failings knowing exactly what lincoln meant when he said i've been driven to my knees many times by the overwhelming conviction that i have no place else to go. but as i stand here tonight, i have never been more hopeful about america. not because i think i have all of the answers, not because i'm naive about the magnitude of our challenges, i'm hopeful because o...

Twish to speak out of order. >> yes, please. jon: you got a sense of some of the fireworks erupting on capitol hill as attorney general eric holder is grilled in front of a house committee there regarding operation fast and furious. clearly, judge andrew napolitano, what darrell issa was trying to get to there, the chairman of this committee -- i guess he's not the chairman but a member of the committee, he's trying to suggest that eric holder's people were rubber stamping the wiretaps without reading them, or if they read them they should have known more about the botched gun running sting. >...