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78% are against shutting out the government. >> what's even more surprising in the poll is that a real split among republicans, i've never seen anything like this. 48% approved of shutting down the government, but 49% disapproved of shutting down the government, so there's a real split. inside those numbers is the tea party, 57% approves of shut shutting down the government. does this show you are held hostage to a minority faction in your caucus? >> no, absolutely not. when you look at the constitution and you look at about everything that's in the constitution, it's not about protecting the ...

Shrinking away, doesn't that argue that we are still a two-party system and it still is as powerful as ever? >> no. i think people are undecided, just because they're undecided doesn't mean they're happy with the choices they've got. i would argue that people aren't particularly happy with those choices. >> but that's happened before? >> sure it has. sure it has. but, you know, in this environment if we had a different option, if we had mike bloomberg or somebody else out there, i think that you would see a real split. >> andrea mitchell was saying yesterday, for some reason i found it to be -...

The senate never dresses things. the big question, can they put that aside for this brief moment, can the speaker get their help one more time. >> and phil, the republicans run the show, so the biggest burden is on them. but what about the democrats? any internal conflicts with the leave the republicans alone approach? >> reporter: an enormous amount of internal conflict. the reality is right now they're waiting for republicans. they want to see if republicans can get this done. as one democrat told me earlier, they have to prove to us they can do something because, as i think everybody knows,...