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Do is to, frankly, have a very honest discussion with north korea as to whether or not they truly are committed to irreversible denuclearization. and unless he gets that kind of commitment, they can dance around this for the next two years. but they won't accomplish anything. >> but secretary panetta, the problem here is that's exactly what he was supposed to be doing in pyongyang on this mission. he was supposed to be finding out -- this was a reality test. what your willing to do? how do you define denuclearization? what are the details behind those promises? he came away arguably empty-hand...

Visit esd.ny.gov. howie: when stocks began soaring the president was given little credit. president trump: the market is up about 150 points, and we broke a big bearier. president trump: the stock market is smashing one record after another. howie: presidents get more credit than they deserve when they rights and more blame when they fall. that view got a reality test after the dow dropped 600 points

What is it 250, $300 billion back in the economy. that is going to make more difference, i think, in the end. but now we have the test. now we have the reality test. apart from the positioning of both parties, four we have the real test. >> martha: people have to feel the difference. we have seen a huge jump in consumer confidence. how people feel about things. and there is such a disconnect, bill, as i just talked about with speaker ryan in terms of how people claim they feel about this bill and the activity you sigh on the part of companies and small business owners who are elated at the fac...

Reality test. it's an aspirational statement at best but i think everyone knows this investigation won't wrap up by the end of the year. >> he seems to be quoting his own lawyers, whom he called brilliant. he does have good lawyers. is there any piece of advice or guidance that perhaps is getting misconstrued? >> it's hard to imagine what it could be. and it's important to remember that ty cobb originally said that this investigation was wrap up by thanksgiving. of course we're past that date and now they've slid into this convenient fiction that it will wrap up by the end of the year, but whe...

That simply don't pass anyone's reality test. it's an aspirational statement at best, but i think everyone knows this investigation won't wrap up by the end of the year. >> he seems to be quoting his own lawyers, whom he called brilliant. he does have good lawyers. is there any piece of advice or guidance that perhaps is getting misconstrued? >> it's hard to imagine what it could be. and it's important to remember that ty cobb originally said that this investigation would wrap up by thanksgiving. of course we're past that date and now they've slid into this convenient fiction that it will wrap...