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And then he came into a country that was dysfunctional and had to lead it for that period of time. washington was the opposite, where he had at 7, he started writing about who he wanted to be and the virtues and the character that made a man. and so he built himself. that's the important part of this book is you see that -- what a man accomplishes in his life really doesn't happen at that moment. a man isn't created in crisis. he's revealed in crisis. and so it's how these guys built their whole life. >> bill: and their achievements now after all these years still tower among the achievements ...

And then he came into a country that was dysfunctional and had to lead it for that period of time. washington was the opposite, where he had at 7, he started writing about who he wanted to be and the virtues and the character that made a man. and so he built himself. that's the important part of this book is you see that -- what a man accomplishes in his life really doesn't happen at that moment. a man isn't created in crisis. he's revealed in crisis. and so it's how these guys built their whole life. >> bill: and their achievements now after all these years still tower among the achievements ...

Now, no one person is more responsible for gridlock in washington than grover norquist, which is why i've called him the most powerful republican in america. something the most powerful republican in america, according to the constitution, really doesn't like to hear. today, the republican speaker of the house, second in the line of succession to the presidency, was asked if the real most powerful republican in america was a good influence on republican members of the house of representatives who are supposed to be led by john boehner instead of grover norquist. boehner could not bring himself...

Not just tax policy but all spending policy, which is of course dependent on tax policy. now, no one person is more responsible for gridlock in washington than grover norquist, which is why i've called him the most powerful republican in america. something the most powerful republican in america, according to the constitution, really doesn't like to hear. today, the republican speaker of the house, second in the line of succession to the presidency, was asked if the real most powerful republican in america was a good influence on republican members of the house of representatives who are suppo...

I was watching last night. from what i saw, this looked like -- out of this from your perspective at this point. >> maybe define intervention is the most realistic solution to this problem. i mean, what you've got here, i think there's so many interesting analogies to the 1850s, to pick up on your civil war analogy, when we were divided. now, thank god we're not talking about secession and slavery, but what you have here is a large determined minority inside the republican caucus that just don't want to make a deal. they are saying things that are way outside the mainstream view, really doesn'...