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That they have that phone call. >> i want to bring in mike rogers. congressman, do you agree with steve hall that there is no doubt that russia wasn't just listening into that call, but perhaps has a recording of that call? >> oh, absolutely. ukraine has been penetrated for years and is thoroughly soaked in russian intelligence officers and their agents sprinkled all across ukraine. any high profile person like sondland who were traveling through who was using his personal cell phone, i mean, every red blinking light should go off with every security operation official saying, whoops, this was...

Red blinking -- stapler with a red blinking light on top. they don't know but offered this as assessment this sounds to what is called a dead man's switch. >> it is my understanding that montgomery county police officers are talking with him. continuing for well over an hour. >> perhaps it is one of the most talented person, but misguided at the same time that i've ever met. >> suspect was shot by police officers. the device appeared to go off. we haven't confirmed that as of this time. we saw some smoke. we haven't confirm add that information yet. there were three hostages, all the hostages ...

Red blinking -- stapler with a red blinking light on top. they don't know but offered this as assessment this sounds to what is called a dead man's switch. >> it is my understanding that montgomery county police officers are talking with him. continuing for well over an hour. >> perhaps it is one of the most talented person, but misguided at the same time that i've ever met. >> suspect was shot by police officers. the device appeared to go off. we haven't confirmed that as of this time. we saw some smoke. we haven't confirm add that information yet. there were three hostages, all the hostages ...

Red blinking -- stapler with a red blinking light on top. they don't know but offered this as assessment this sounds to what is called a dead man's switch. >> it is my understanding that montgomery county police officers are talking with him. continuing for well over an hour. >> perhaps it is one of the most talented person, but misguided at the same time that i've ever met. >> suspect was shot by police officers. the device appeared to go off. we haven't confirmed that as of this time. we saw some smoke. we haven't confirm add that information yet. there were three hostages, all the hostages ...

They are explosives or just dummies. he described them as two pipe bombs. and he said there were four propane-type cannisters on the vest and said it was not a gas i recognized but a type of gas that was used for welding and he was familiar with this because he is an engineer and there were cannisters on the back of the vest and he said lee was holding what looked like a stapler with a red, blinking light on top. also, the engineer told me --. >>shepard: a stapler with a red blinking light? >>reporter: that is how he described it to me. in addition, he said, that the guy had a phone with him, ...