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Their troops near the border area, and they say they want no more nato expansion but specifically, they have said that they don't ever want ukraine to become a member of nato. that is certainly something that they call a red line, too. the biden administration has said all of this talk of red lining is something they don't think is helpful. the nato secretary general has come out and said that the russians will not dictate the terms as to who becomes a nato member, and who doesn't, this is up the aspiring nation which in this case would be ukraine, and then nato itself, and you know, quite fra...

Live its ideals from ending state sponsored segregation in our famous case brown vs. board of education to ending red lining and so many other practices that have forced discrimination to divide our country. we'll continue to litigate, use research. >> that is what you do. you litigate, organize, do policy and naacp legal defense fund is separate from the naacp. but i wanted to ask you -- >> that's right. >> -- your brief thoughts about the verdict reached last week in the civil trial against the white nationalist who organized the racist violence in charlottesville, virginia in 2017. the jury...

Of red lining which is something a lot of people don't learn about in schools. that emerged from our past. it emerged from these un -- this unresolved inequity, this lack of a real reunion that would create real equality for all american citizens. real union t create real equality. we never achieved that, we never had a real racial reckoning in this country. >> it's a reckoning you'll present tonight. i can't wait to watch it, if you can't watch it, dvr it, you have to watch. "civil war" airs 10:00 eastern here on msnbc. it's called a bomb cyclone. it could be as dangerous as it sounds. but ...

Oppressive to black people, to the afro-latinos and therein lies the problem, right? i mean, come to the united states and of course here we have a legacy of racism and there's slavery and red lining jim crow, and all of it together is just really a lot to unpack. >> yeah, and i think that's a good reminder for folks that, look, the diaspora is large. it really just depends on where the slave ship dropped you off, you know, dropped the deslaved off to be dehumanized really. laz, i'm curious for you in hollywood, are you ever cast as like a spanish speaking person or as someone afro-latino, and...

This is a war on teaching and a war on truth ultimately. it's very dangerous to the health of our democracy. look, i'm talking to you from silver spring maryland 25 miles from where my great grand father was enslaved in gathers burg maryland. that happened. that's the truth. so many of our challenges are tied to that history around slavery and segregation and red lining. we can't wish it away. we can't bury it. if we do, we risk undermining our ability to improve our society. and that sadly, i think is the hope here that we sort of freeze our society in the systemic racism that plagued us sinc...