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Reform may have come to a halt at this point because they don't have the power that they did before. paul: what about the rollback, for example, in wisconsin and michigan, had really made enormous progress on tax reform, on public union reform, on a variety of other things, education reform, is some of that going to be rolled back now just right away? >> i think that's hard to do right away because they do not have the -- democrats do not have legislatures in those states but, of course, gain control of the legislatures through 2020 and through redistricting process. in some states you may see...

Imagine if they pick up illinois, ohio, iowa and wisconsin, imagine what that does to the map. the middle of the country becomes a blue stronghold. that will position democrats very well likely for 2020. >> but i just want to chime in real quick because we mentioned something but i want to make sure that the viewers understand. as a former state legislator, the most important year that you have is 2020 and 2021 because that is when you begin your redistricting process and you draw congressional maps and you draw state house maps, and you can determine the fate of the united states congress dur...

Control of, and republicans obviously want to keep. how much influence would a democrat have if they were able to win governors races across the country? >> these governors are going to preside over the redistricting process. they could be the bull work for any attempts to try to do unfair partisan gerrymandering or perhaps under the radar racial jer r gerrymandering. >> and they can also protect health care in states if donald trump or the republican party is trying to take health care away. >> there are a number of things they could possibly do. >> andrew, thank you so much. john, good to me...

Democrats take over narrowly or will they get what could be a governing majority in the house? >> look, this environment is reminding many of us, and i would assume linda as well, of the 2010 environment that republicans had, they had a strong wind at their backs. the 2006 environment that democrats had. it looks like it's going to be one of those environments, with one exception, and you alluded to it before, andrea, and that is the republicans really fortified many of their districts because they elected republican governors and republican state legislators who just built sandbags around the...

>> while liberals fretting about the fate of roe v. wade have dominated early headlines about president trump's next supreme court pick, the left is actually sounding a lot more alarm bells, charging nothing less than the fate of the republic hangs in the ballast. >> the issue of how protective the voting rights act is, whether or not that actually were. dominic applies to the redistricting process. there's the issue of whether we can actually control how much billionaires give to candidates, contribution limits. there are a lot of things on the agenda that could really put to the test whether...