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For any republican worth their salt over the last 30 years who haranged against democrats about the value of keeping the nation's fiscal house in order, to be the party that not one, but two republican administrations has increased the size of the nation's debt and its deficits, taken the cap off of spending, to do so -- to have someone like a mark sanford sort of bring that conversation back to say is this really where you want to go and this is really who we are i think could be very interesting. everyone will try to not pay attention to him because oh, it's a republican primary and trump ha...

With director mueller was an inflection point. we are considering the malfeasance of the president, we're considering what remedies we can do. including the possibility of articles of impeachment. >> paul, so he called it an inflection point. i don't know if i would use that term. 100 democrats support impeachment as of now in the house. i think it was about the high 80s before mueller spoke. so about a dozen have joined the call. that is not a stampede to impeachment. >> and 100 support and 135 don't. so that is a long way to tip. you have to get to 218 and i don't think that is an inflection...

Are against donald trump. will that work and also it's a long time until election day. a million things will happen between now and then. this is a question whether this will be a reflection point for will it fade? >> those 2020 democrats are running in a democratic primary. so this is a way to excite the democratic base is to take on donald trump. that is a far different calculus than applies to democrats in congress to figure out how to retain their majority. >> then maybe i'm completely wrong. i think taking a look at the 2018 mid-terms is something people need to keep in mind or at least -...

The crisis we face as a nation isn't just him. we're at a reflection point, formed our body politic and made him. it seems to me the democratic party, if the leadership doesn't understand that, then they will be complicit in the fall of this fragile experiment in democracy. how do i put this? we've had these moments, nicolle, where we had a chance to be otherwise and we have historically doubled down on our ugliness. at every turn. eastland is easy. the question is why have we been complicit with these folks? >> we're going to go from high to low. you and me are low. >> i can't play on the -- ...

Can legally release. he made that statement very methodically and i think for a point. as i understand the doctrine, there is no pro-ha bigs on him releasing as much as possible. he stressed the other thing, he would only release what he felt comfortable releasing. >> the regs don't require a report. >> exactly. i'm interested to see how lawmakers handle this one. chuck grassley, he said he wants to see this public. they can exert enormous pressure on barr to get more out there and it's another reflection point for the republican party. >> a known unknown. thank you for spending time with us. ...