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So blue, it is a sign of the extraordinary level of porlerzation, really. >> and you look and you see in 1966 the reason why ronald reagan did so well in orange county, the reason why republicans started sweeping orange county starting in 1966 watts you have this vast, sprawling suburb. it was suburbia. there was a reflexive move away from liberalism, from over the.top 1960s liberalism. they moved right and they started voting republican. and here we are, 50 years later, 52 years later suddenly those same suburbanites look at what republicanism has become under donald trump and, like suburban ...

To say that the media had been focusing more on what the president did or did not say and not enough on the actual events and the alleged perpetrator here accused now and charged with that crime and others who were involved. they've frequently attacked the media. that is a reflexive move. it is popular among many in their base. they expect that. so that does not surprise me. but the vice president has said more and he defended the president, as he often does, but the vice president also saying the words that the president had not yet said added to the pressure. so the president has now given a...

Countries. it's pretty low. >> well, it would be one thing if there was one senator who was doing this, threatening, say, a hold on a nomination if he or she did not get this information even though it's not within the history of the senate to demand this sort of thing. but it's a large number of republican senators who have signed on to this. what do you make of that dynamic? >> you know, i think you have a lot of republicans who just don't like what chuck hagel has become. he has been an ike oncon clavt. he's criticized his own party for moving to the radical right. he endorgsed barack obama...

Doing this, threatening, say, a hold on a nomination if he or she did not get this information even though it's not within the history of the senate to demand this sort of thing. but it's a large number of republican senators who have signed on to this. what do you make of that dynamic? >> you know, i think you have a lot of republicans who just don't like what chuck hagel has become. he has been an iconoclast. he's criticized his own party for moving to the radical right. he endorsed barack obama. and he has positioned on foreign policy that many of them don't like either. but much of this fo...

Don't like what chuck hagel has become. he has been an iconoclast. he's criticized his own party for moving to the radical right. he endorsed barack obama. and he has positioned on foreign policy that many of them don't like either. but much of this for spite and let's face it some of it is the kind of reflexive move to try po punish barack obama where they can. and i'm afraid what concerns me most is that this set of unreasonable demands, and hagel's quite reasonable response to them is an excuse to do a full-fledged filibuster. and if you turn it into a partisan filibuster of a cabinet nomin...