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>> well, let's hope they pass. what we're seeing is an exaggerated version of a lot of perennial american forces, zen phobia, reflexive partisanship. these have been with us from the beginning, and they'll be with us to the end. our greatest moments have been those in which we have made those forces ebb as opposed to flow. right now they're flowing, and one thing we can see in the impeachment drama and one thing that would make me feel slightly more confident about the future of things is it's perfectly fine. it's within their constitutional duty for united states senators to say this is not a...

Phobia, reflexive partisanship. these have been with us from the beginning, and they'll be with us to the end. our greatest moments have been those in which we have made those forces ebb as opposed to flow. right now they're flowing, and one thing we can see in the impeachment drama and one thing that would make me feel slightly more confident about the future of things is it's perfectly fine. it's within their constitutional duty for united states senators to say this is not an offense for which these two articles do not rise in their opinion, to removing a president from office. that's -- th...

Going forward. you see that as a reaction to the kinds of changes that congressman lewis embodies. and because of that chaos, because of the challenge to the norms that really started in the mid-'60s, i don't think it's surprising that we've had these three impeachments. impeachments tend to happen at moments when there's some existential question about who we are. with andrew johnson and 100 years before it was the verdict of the civil wars, with president nixon it unfolded during vietnam, the cold war. a lot of people thought the country was not going to survive 1968 as you'll remember. pres...

Nixon and 100 years before, it was the verdict of the civil war. with president nixon, it infolded during vietnam, the cold war. a lot of people thought the country was not going to survive 1968, as you'll remember. president clinton, that was the rise of this reflexive partisanship, the attack on him, and now we have a demagogic president who has managed and marshaled and exacerbated the perennial american forces of nativism, racism, extremism, all at a time of political tribalism, so, i just like the image of a perfect storm, because it's overused, but in this case, the cliche may be right a...

The president has to keep control here. he has to stop the secretary of state, the national security adviser from actually being involved enabling their assets. would set the stage for war. as long as president keeps control, and exercises reiterant, i think we'll be okay here. we have to continue to try to practice diplomacy. i think that we whitecaps we talk about our nation, we have got to be very careful that, we don't get into a kind of reflexive partisanship, which defeats the purpose of our national interest. >> fernando, this is a quote fray bloomberg peter hooley piece today. by bobby...