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>> president trump didn't have to offer details on anything. >> republicans were promising to reverse healthcare and they never actually got it done. any republican who says i'll reform healthcare any republican has an uphill battle. when you say i'm going to change the status quo, voters have a problem with that. they tend to challenge those who change the status quo. as we talk about what stresses it will put on the private health care industry as more sick people enter into medicare and put more on that troubled program it will become a reform message, and that's trouble. >> how important i...

They feel it in their gut. and we've got to have a broad program that addresses this systemic issue here, so that the voices of everyday americans can actually be heard on capitol hill. >> you know, yesterday was nancy pelosi and chuck schumer that were the front people to push this. they are known as the two best fund-raisers in the party, respectively. are they the best faces for a reform message? two people who have been in congress since the '80s, i believe, both of them have been raising big money from big interests, from both coasts for years. are they the right spokespeople? >> as long ...

Forth, what we've been encounter sth ing is that, a lot of them say, well, we support all of those things, but we don't think we get it done because washington has been taken hostage by big money and special interests and they're going to block progress on all of those things. what we realized is that we have to have an accompanying message around reform. rather than an economic message, we have to present a reform agenda. and then people say, now you're talking about. let's go to work on this. and we think it will be very resonant across the country in this midterm election. >> there's part o...

They can win the mid terms, you but a reform message, i can't tell you how many people -- voters get it. they get, until you fix the politics, you can't tackle the issue you care about. more voters are coming to that conclusion. >> so i think part of what's happening, you have this polarization, and it's not just as some people think, a polarization of politically involved elites. it's a polarization of voters at large, and when you get further and further away, you're going to trust your fellow citizens left. right now, we have parties that are not interested in persuading people on the other...

Though that the democrats can throw a reform message basically back in your face. i think it's bigger. particularly in states that donald trump won, i think the dominant argument that we are going to be dealing with is are the democrats who are holding these senate seats going to be able to defend the fact that they have really fought this president every step of the way in states where those voters all voted for him and his agenda. >> one thing we haven't brought up is the tax bill. are you past the point of return for '18 to make the tax bill a net positive for republicans? is it too basical...