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Jihadists in countries across the middle east are trying to infiltrate the refugee process. they've succeeded in europe. it's obvious they're trying throughout the u.s. process and we have good intelligence on that. let's start from the fact this is a problem. >> we have a very different refugee vetting process here than they do in let's say ger n germany. it takes two years to get through the vetting process and we don't have evidence of a strong unit of refugees who have launched any attack on the united states. >> we have extensive experience with immigrants and foreign nationals who have c...

Western powers and all this populist talk about protectionism and scratch their heads. it does appear as you're saying today in davos, carrying the mantel of milton friedman, the leader of communist china. >> right. the leader of the free world is a chinese president that leads a country that's not free. let's be clear if donald trump might listen to this, hold on, china has been protecting its own economy for years. that's my problem. by the way, chinese lecturing how to deal with refugee process, not opposing globalization but bringing stability to the world. people would show china hasn't s...

>> and tom, we know tension has risen in germany as these numbers have mounted. how is this playing out politically there? >> this is producing immense pressure on those public officials, like chancellor angela merkel, who has argued that a continued open door policy needs to stay in place. she says this refugee process is something that they need to continue. but with each terrorist incident, and as you note, we have no idea yet if this was tied to anybody who was an immigrant, but every time something happens, there are people who raise up and they say, wait a minute. are we vetting all of t...

Media. it's far more pervasive and frequent and talks in their language. >> and seth, phil is saying this is less immigration, more the strength of isis propaganda. but the idea of this -- these guys being refugees, this does speak to the fears of a lot of people that terrorists will exploit the refugee process to make it into the united states. how big of a problem is this, from your perspective? >> look, i think the data is indicative here. and that is, the largest percentage of people that are threatening the u.s. and threatening to commit terrorist attacks, there were 56 arrested in 2015 o...

Measures that would be taken into consideration that aren't already? >> well, i think what you've seen, the concerns about the syrian refugee crisis is obviously greater database assessments by whoever is coming in, and particularly men, that's the reality we live in, men between the ages of 18 and 25 years old. there will have to be validation of their previous travel, and once allowed in, a stronger review and surveillance of them and their travel once allowed in, because they may go to turkey to visit family, given what we know about where the syrians are heading now. a lot of people up in ...