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Sit down. i think if he looks around at saddam hussein, and mommar gadhafi and any country that gave up its nuclear weapons it didn't end well for them. i don't think he's going to be loathed to give up his weapons any time soon. i think the key really is china. everyone has been saying it. you heard president trump, trying to lean on china a little bit with that tweet that kim was disrespecting him. until china's really willing to put the squeeze on north korea, 90% of trade, 90% of oil, i don't really think north korea is really going to change and china's also loathed to do that because the...

Regime. is it tkpreuf the obama administration's policy? i think it is in the sense that it's the number one security challenge that we're facing right now, according to the administration, the president. and so we will be pursuing it in that vain. >> melissa: former cia senior north korea analyst managing director for bower group asia and was director for korea japan and oceanic affairs of the nsc under both president bush and president obama. thank you for bringing your expertise to us. you say that china is very afraid of putting too much pressure on and seeing regime collapse in north kore...

Important is that in this relationship when you look at japan, south korea, and those alliances and blood we may be able to do to push china and order to help us? >> to make him the chinese option has until now, but mostly in the football. they keep promising, tantalizing, yes, we might do this. they turned on by a coal shipment from north korea this . everybody cheers. that is not going to make a difference. in the end, china can bring down the regime. i think what we need to do is china is to offer them a grand bargain. we know you don't want to see the regime collapse. you don't want a sout...

Japan, south korea, and those alliances and what we may be able to do to push china in order to help us? >> to me, the chinese option hah until now, but mostly in the football. they keep promising, tantalizing, yes, we might do this. they turn away a coal shipment from northth korea this week. everybody cheers. that is not going to make a difference. in the end, china can bring down the regime. i think what we need to do with china is to offer them a grand bargain. we know you don't want to see the regime collapse. you don't want a south korean expanding to beyond their border. we understand t...

Terms. kim jung unhad his brother killed. there is no point in negotiating with the north koreans. four occasions in the 25 years they have committed publicly to give up their nuclear weapons program in exchange for benefits that were promised to them. in every case they have violated their commitment typically before the ink was dry on it. they aren't going to voluntarily give up the nuclear weapons program or ballistic missile program. i think there is only one alternative here and that's to put enough pressure on them to have the regime collapse. the way to end the north korean nuclear weap...