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Meregime collapse. they are worried about a refugee fallout if the regime collapses. what will they do with all the people coming across the borders and the problems? much like we have been seeing. in syria, what's happening there with refugees. havethis tumultuous activity. there is a tremendous amount of fallout. it happens to t lay in the lapsf the bordering countries, to shoulder the burden, physically, financially, economically, that type of thing. i think sanctions are hugely important, part of the overall scheme to put pressure on north korea. i don't think the united states or the worl...

Quite afraid of any kind of regime collapse. they are worried about a refugee fallout if the regime collapses. what will they do with all the people coming across the borders and the problems? much like we have been skiing. in syria, what's happening there with refugees. people displaced, this tumultuous activity. there is a tremendous amount of fallout. it happens in these bordering countries, physically and financially. economically. that type of thing. i think sanctions are hugely important, part of the overall scheme to put pressure on north korea. the united states or the world shouldn't ...

Leader of north korea to be able to terrorize the united states. they are trying, i think, a combination of pressure, which is to convince the world that the united states will not stand idly by and let this happen. this pressure is mostly aimed at the chinese who have some influence, not absolute influence, but some influence with the north korean regime because the chinese will have to do some very tough things in order to change the course of this. >> do you think beijing is willing to do this? >> beijing has to understand that the choice is do we let the north koreans go along and what if ...

So china provides 90% of the energy, 50% of the food that north korea survives on. so what the trump administration has to do is to say to the chinese, this is really, really important to us. and here's what, you know, we would like you to do, really push hard. i think there are some conversations about essentially a kind of decapitation of the north korean regime. not a regime change, but the idea would be change the leader, i don't know if that would work, but that's one possibility. but certainly, enormous chinese pressure, i would argue that if the trump administration wants to think this ...

Departure from past relationships with xi jinping, the president of china, really saying that china is doing a good job at this stage, pressuring north korea to halt its nuclear program. at least one expert i spoke to here in china said that that might not last, should they pull the trigger on a nuclear test. they say that president trump might be setting china up for a fall so that he could blame china if they don't make any progress in ending this nuclear program. china's in a tough spot here, it wants to pressurize north korea in stopping the nuclear program. they don't want a north korea w...