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Able to blow up the manafort agreement, it's clear he had evidence independent evidence that will showed manafort was lying. he gave him that will last sort of ten-day chance to come clean and he didn't. how does he know? he said himself or the team did in the sentencing memorandum, he's going to give chapter and verse. that means he's going to give the facts and evidence that he knows that shows manafort was lying. to matt's point, remember manafort, was desperate for this job. right? he goes hat in hand to the campaign and offers to work for free. if he possesses some information about the r...

What does that tell you about how much mueller may know and how much he knows? >> the whole fact that he was able to blow up the manafort agreement, it's clear he had evidence independent evidence that will showed manafort was lying. he gave him that will last sort of ten-day chance to come clean and he didn't. how does he know? he said himself or the team did in the sentencing memorandum, he's going to give chapter and verse. that means he's going to give the facts and evidence that he knows that shows manafort was lying. to matt's point, remember manafort, was desperate for this job. right? ...

Russians. the best they can hope to do is make kind of a tangential connection to say maybe president trump and his team knew that manafort had these connections but where's the proof of that? >> juan: i think it's a little different, the way i view it. remember manafort was at the meeting in 2016 arranged by donald trump jr. manafort is at the meeting, jared kushner. we learned last week that the meeting who was there, had no -- had been coordinated with the russian government. she is at this meeting, she says turns out she does have some connection to the russian government. when you have ma...

People said there is no hope. abby: remember manafort was in charge at one point. >> lewandowski is out. and he wins. so the idea is there is a lot of time to govern. but have you got to get the team in a place where it will help you govern and get some of these big ticket items because taxes is coming down the pike, too. pete: at the same time he has done a good job ignoring the mainstream media's perception there is chaos everywhere. he has the ability wh make the decision who he wants around him. >> absolutely. abby: nice to have you here. pete: pete we will see you tomorrow into. >> yes. a...

Somehow brought those ties to the trump tower. >> that's right, and i guess that's what robert mueller will be interested in asking. i think he'll also be interested in specifically what manafort can tell him about the trump tower meeting in june of 2016. >> he's an eyewitness now. >> also people are neglecting, remember manafort has a former business partner, roger stone, who is also involved in the mueller investigation from what we can tell. i'm just struck, chuck, by sometime last month when omarosa emerged with her book tour and her tapes and her appearances on tv, the news just turned al...