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Mark meadows and jaeffrey clark have asked a federal judge to block the arrests. do you think that they can avoid the friday deadline to surrender? >> only way that happens is if a judge would have a stay between now and friday. but it has been already clear that the judge is already going to have a hearing and one where there will be substantive issues and testimony on monday to address the case should be removed. it is a removal proceeding from the state court to the federal court. so i don't expect either one will be successful in stopping this clock from happening between now and monday if...

Numbers? watch. >> so, there are 15,000 migrants under the del rio bridge saturday. if you add up the ones that you say were expelled or released, it's less than 5,000. then there is 5,000 that are still left, where's everybody else? >> i'm happy to get you a more fruitful run down for you if you -- if helpful from the department of homeland security. pete: okay. and when you talk about how some of these people are being placed in removal proceedings. that does not mean removed, correct? >> that means they are in the process of going through a removal proceeding so that we can -- it can go thr...

Ones that are not being deported, a lot of them are being replaced in removal proceedings. a lot of the times what it means they're just let go in public with a future court date. take a look. >> when you talk about how some of those people are being placed in removal proceedings that does not mean removed, correct? >> that means they're in the process of going through a removal proceeding so it can go through the immigration process that's long been in place. >> again, under the biden administration, they are doing catch and release, letting them do with court paperwork. take a look at this v...

Contract renewal and unreality to the southern border. go ahead. >> thank you, jen. i have a question about the numbers you gave and the math. so there are 15,000 migrants under the del rio bridge saturday. if you add up the ones that you say were expelled or released it's less than 5,000. then there are 5,000 still left. where is everybody else? >> i'm happy to get you a more fruitful run down for you if helpful from the department of homeland security. >> okay. and when you talk about how some of these people are being placed in ryu moofl proceedings. that does not mean remove, correct? >> t...

5,400 that's not a rounding error. where are those 5400 illegals that used to be in government custody or even if it's 4,000 or 3,000? fox news correspondent peter doocy tried to find out earlier today. >> there are 15,000 migrants under the del rio bridge saturday. if you add up the ones that you say were expelled or released it's less than 5,000. then there is 5,000 that are still left. where's everybody else? when you talk about how some of these people are being placed in removal proceedings. that does not mean removed, correct? >> that means they are in the process of going through a remo...