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I mean, we don't know what that looks like. >> we don't know. his team is pushing back at this idea that he wants the replacement package to guarantee coverage for all. they are saying his goal is to create a health care system that will allow people to have access but we don't know. we hear a lot of different things from trump about what his goal is paid he said he wanted something terrific. now is the time to start filling out those details great he didn't do a lot there to give us a picture of what has replaced package will look like. >> bret: will he? >> will he? >> bret: provide details? ...

I mean, we don't know what that looks like. >> we don't know. his team is pushing back at this idea that he wants the replacement package to guarantee coverage for all. they are saying his goal is to create a health care system that will allow people to have access but we don't know. we hear a lot of different things from trump about what his goal is paid he said he wanted something terrific. now is the time to start filling out those details great he didn't do a lot there to give us a picture of what has replaced package will look like. >> bret: will he? >> will he? >> bret: provide details? ...

Market is collapsing as we speak without doing anything, but if we repeal the health care law without a credible replacement package, then i do become concerned about the acceleration of the collapse of those insurance markets. there's also a political consideration here, too, richard, that we have to think about, that there are going to be those on the left who will not help us replace this law and those on the hard right who will consider any obamacare replacement as obamacare light. >> the pragmatism that you're expressing, how are your fellow republicans reacting to that? >> candidly, most...

>> shepard: they're doing that. the vote is in. they needed 218 total votes. they're up to 244. 24 democrats voting with the republicans. one republican thus far voting with the democrats in the nays. so that's the mattis vote. i want to wrap up this healthcare thing. had this healthcare vote not gone through, they had to get -- they had to make it so they didn't need a filibuster-proof majority. the republicans didn't have 60. they weren't going to get it. so had this failed today, this wipe-out of the filibuster possibility, the republicans were in deep, deep trouble with obamacare's repeal ...

Discentedi dissinters. they don't think it's right. they have to come up with a replacement that everybody agrees. that's going to be a tall order. republicans have been talking about this for like five years. they figured out we want this gone largely because it's an achievement of the obama administration and if it works, who wants to give them help. after all, they blocked everything along the way. any time there's big legislation, you have to make changes and tweak. republicans blocked the tweaks. they never gave them an option and voted to repeal it 60 times. but they never came up with a...