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Gas emissions. we stop using fuels that emit it. it may not be economically pleasant. but that's different from -- we know how to do it. >> we don't have a replacement technology right now. >> well, we don't -- >> we simply don't have it. >> i agree with that. but that's different from saying we don't know how to do it. stop using fossil fuels and co-2 emissions will go down. >> yeah. but unfortunately, talk's cheap. yes, you can say you need to do something. then you have to have a mechanism to do it. >> jeff, talk about the point pat michaels was making, which is fine, the earth is warming, ...

We know how to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. we stop using fuels that emit it. it may not be economically pleasant. but that's different from -- we know how to do it. >> we don't have a replacement technology right now. >> well, we don't -- >> we simply don't have it. >> i agree with that. but that's different from saying we don't know how to do it. stop using fossil fuels and co-2 emissions will go down. >> yeah. but unfortunately, talk's cheap. yes, you can say you need to do something. then you have to have a mechanism to do it. >> jeff, talk about the point pat michaels was making, whic...