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>> to my knowledge, cbp never purposely put a child in a cage if you mean a cage like this. >> i've seen the cages. i just want you to admit that the cages exist. >> sir, they're not cages. >> what are they? >> areas of the border facility that are carved out for the safety and protection of those who remain there while they're being processed. >> so thus the expression elections have consequences. both gentlemen remain with us. garrett haik, michael steele. garrett, might this have been one of those hearings on the hill that's kind of designed to be contentious? >> absolutely, brian. i think ...

Pardon from trump. and while this reporting doesn't show that cohen personally sought a pardon, it does show that he was very involved in efforts it ask trump lawyers for a pardon. >> yeah, you just jumped to my question. because i've learned with this crowd you have to figure out how much room everybody has to wiggle out of a quote. could cohen saying i never asked for a pardon give him the room he needs if someone came back at him and said, yeah, but your lawyer apparently did? could he find just enough plausible deniability in there? i don't know. >> i think it's likely he will make the arg...

We're talking chapter and verse that a jury can look at as an exhibit. that's killer evidence. >> this is important to note, that buzzfeed's reporting doesn't come primarily from michael cohen. so we can agree or disagree -- >> michael cohen is like the punctuation. >> right. they apparently have seen documents, text messages, things like that. guys, thanks very much. ken dilanian and harry litman. >> thanks. >> next, is president trump closer to impeachment? we're going to look at all that's gone down this week alone. what is actually an impeachable offense and what is not? you're watching "v...

Trump administration. in fairness to the white house it's complicated. a lot of the reporting doesn't explain the whole issue and it's all sort of classified information so i get why they're frustrated about this. i think they have reason to be frustrated about this but i don't think this is the most effective way to go about dealing with that frustration because it makes it worse. >> let's talk about how the white house strieing to put back together the travel ban. so now it sounds as if they're going to the intelligence community or the department of homeland security and saying, okay, can y...

Europe. >> see, i think this is a serious warning because we -- after all the things that president trump said about president clinton and the red line, all the remarks that are made, you know, big threat about the red line then the red line, we sort of -- a squishy comment. >> you'll notice there was no red line here. very important. >> no, no, no red line. >> very tough talk although there wasn't a red line, to put someone on notice from the white house podium is a greater escalation than having your ambassador in new york to the united nations saying we're going to talk and be loud and do t...