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About a fear that mark meadows has been cooperating for a long time. any reason to believe that? >> his silence up until this time and the fact that from a reporting standpoint, we haven't known what he was doing and what the cause of his silence for many months has been is what would feed that concern on the part of the trump orbit folks that he was cooperating. and so now his first appearance is in the secret grand jury proceeding. so the big question i have is he was asked a lot of questions. did he answer them? did he answer them with respect to the january 6th investigation? did he answer...

Around the building, it was a few dozen people. but it was not a ruckus. it was not a circus. he's asked for a mistrial on every day i have been here and he's been desperate to connect what's happening outside the court inside the court frankly just from a reporting standpoint, we're talking about a few dozen people, certainly not the crowds we have seen in some of the crowds recently. i will mention to you, i know you don't have any audio, the judge did officially say a verdict has been reached. >> so a verdict has been reached. what you are seeing right now is the defendants have risen and s...

Positions of power and with the demise of local media, which is a very unfortunate story in many parts of this country, more accountability at both the national and state level is necessary from a reporting standpoint. >> your critique of the mainstream media's approach to this, is it that we -- i mentioned cnn and others are trying to take this very seriously. you're clearly taking it very seriously. is it others are -- they don't see what's happening or they're afraid to call it out or they don't have bosses who will let them call it out? what's your impression of what's going on? >> it's no...

Done by anything else? >> the amazon is one of the three or four largest forests on earth. you can't have the earth function without this vast forest there. we would still be able to breathe oxygen. the earth's oxygen supply is not going to go away, but our ability to even begin to deal with climate change, an already out of control problem as we know because we just came through the hottest month ever recorded on the planet, is less than dramatically when we take down a vast forest that does the job daily of turning carbon dioxide into oxygen. >> shannon, i'm going to come at this from a repo...

Congress women and all the things the president said, it's hard to know exactly how to kind of day after day focus, report on it because in someways, there is some strategy involved in his mind. much of it is sort of temporary strategy or just something he says and then it seems to be working for him in his mind and he continues with it but i just from a reporting standpoint, it's an interesting way how not to fall into the trap of just following every tweet that he says and yet at the same time, not ignoring racist language or things which are clearly racist or just many of the things the pre...